Hello!
I am going to make my own armature out of aluminum wire and want to make it into a skeleton puppet (sort of like the ones from The Corpse Bride). What material do you suggest I use to make it? should I make the bones hard? I also want the jaw to move up and down. This will be my first puppet and I am really looking forward to it but I need your help! Thanks a lot :D

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A skeleton is one case where a jointed armature makes more sense. But I did make a slightly cartoony skeleton with armature wire. Not as cartoony as Corpse Bride. I made the bones hard, with epoxy putty, except right at the ends near the joints. I didn't want to restrict the bending to too short a section of wire, but I didn't want a lot of visible wire either. I used latex and tissue paper to build up a bit of flexible bone.
The jaw had wire in it so it can move.
The spine was all latex built up on the wire, since it had to flex a lot.
You can see the skeleton puppet in action in my Sinbad Skeleton fight video at Youtube. Search for Stopmonick at Youtube and you should find it. (It is also featured in The Seventh Skol, but the body is covered up for most of that.). I have a couple of photos showing the construction at my Picturetrail site, in the Making Puppets album. Oh, and the legs are animated at the end of my tiedowns video, that was before the top half was made. Not sure if I can post the links with this iPad, but can do it when I get to my computer.

Ok, back on my computer now.   Here's a work-in-progress shot showing what it's made of:

If yours will have fewer ribs, like the Corpse Bride skeletons, you could use wire for the ribs.

And here is the finished puppet in action.

The other skeleton puppets I know of, like a really nice realistic one made recently by Peter Montgomery, use ball joints.

I did have to replace one of the wrist wires on mine, after all that wrist action with the sword, and a lot of drinking in 7th Skol.  I had a piece of tube in the Ulna, made from a section of a telescoping radio antenna, and was able to cut the old hand wires off, drill it out, and glue in the new hand wires.  It was there because I use 1.5mm (1/16th") wire in the arm, but thinner 1mm wire in the wrist and hand, so I had to join them together.

Damn, Nick, watching this again just reminds me of how good you really are.  Bring on the "other" Raven Project.

Thank you so much Nick! It's funny because I actually already watched that video and that's what gave me the idea! So to sum it up I will need armature wire, epoxy putty (for bones), and latex? Again it mean so much for you to do all of this for me!  

Yes. You might like to sculpt the skull in polymer clay ( Super Sculpey, Fimo, etc) which stays soft until you bake it. I used Sculpey over some epoxy for my skull. The putty I get from the hardware store sets in about 5 minutes so you don't get long to refine the shapes. But epoxy putty seems to be stronger so I like to start with that, then add the sculpey over the top. You could also use a slow setting epoxy putty like Aves Apoxie Sculpt, which gives you an hour or two to work.
I also used aluminium blocks for the feet, but a nut glued and puttied over a loop of wire can work for tiedowns as well. And I had a piece of aluminium in the hip, extended with wire, and putty added over that. I couldn't see how my usual wooden blocks could be used without the shape showing up. But no hip block at all, just putty around the wire, ought to work ok for a skeleton.
I think Ray’s original skeleton puppets had latex and tissue built up over the armature - but it already had rigid rods between the ball joints so there was no need to stiffen the bones.

Thank you so much! One last question (sorry for being a noob and asking so many questions) did you find a lot of these items at a store or online? If at a store where? Thanks! It means a lot! 

I got the regular epoxy putty from Bunnings, a large hardware chain in Australia.  Very similar to Home Depot in North America.  So no place I buy from will be much use to you, they will be Australian.  But the good news is, everything I can buy, and a few things I can't, can be bought in the US, for less money.

The latex, Aves Apoxie  and Super Sculpey came from a specialist sculpting and mouldmaking supplier, either Dalchem or Barnes Products, which do each have a shop here in Melbourne.  But if you don't have that sort of place where you live, you may need to buy online. 

I got some armature wire from an art supply store - the 3mm I use in the legs, the 1.6mm wire in the neck and arms.  The thin 1mm stuff and the 2mm wire has to be bought online at somewhere like Whimsie, which is a pain for me because they won't ship outside the US and I had to work through a US based shipping agent:

http://www.whimsie.com/aluminum%20craft%20wire.html?gclid=CJSi4bjR6...

5 minute epoxy glue comes from a hardware, or from discount $2 stores.

Aluminium came from an aluminium supplier, where they sell various extrusions, and flat bars at 3mm or 6mm thick, of different widths, and round rod.

Thank you so much! I will try to put my progress up on here and show how it's going! Again thank you so much for all of your help! 

-Andrew

It might not be soon because I just got Stop Motion Pro and am basically broke hahaha

Good news! I am going to be getting the supplies for it by the end of the week!! Anybody have suggestions on how many tubes of epoxy putty I should get and please add a link to which you think is best to make the bone! Thanks

The brand I got is probably only sold in australia so not much use to you.  One tube of it, about 6 inches long, is more than enough.  Probably half of it would do.  See what you find locally.

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