Does anyone know whether the M3 stainless steel bars sold on animationtoolkit.co.uk are compatible with the ProPlus armature sold by animationsupplies.net?

I just need one rod (£1.50 on animationsupplies.net), but the shipping cost is £6.00, which increases the price by close to 700%. I found M3 threaded rods on Animation Toolkit, their shipping price is a lot lower, and they sell some other things that I also need, which would justify the cost of shipping even more. However, I am not sure their rods would work with my ProPlus Kit. Has anyone had a similar situation?

Any advice would be hugely appreciated!

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M3 is M3, always compatible, but if you just need a rod, go to your local DIY shop!!

Yes, you're absolutely right, it was a stupid question! Actually my local DIY shop doesn't sell rods of such a small diameter, but I do feel better knowing that I can get them from another supplier and they will still work. Honestly, I'm just getting started with ball-and-sockets as I always made wire armatures before, so I am still learning. Thanks for your response!



Leevi Lehtinen said:

M3 is M3, always compatible, but if you just need a rod, go to your local DIY shop!!

I'm on the contrary going towards wire. So far all my puppet films have been with balls and sockets. Wire is cheaper and faster to build. And as I generally like roughness in motion, it doesn't matter so much that it's more difficult to animate. 

I still haven't made wire puppet films, although I made a wire puppet few months ago when I gave a puppet making workshop. 

Huh - weird - I'm also working on reversing puppet polarity - I've been gearing up my metalworking station. I plan to make some hybrid puppets though, with easily replaceable wire parts and some open hole ball joints in places. 

Thanks for all the informative responses!

I agree that wire is cheaper, but in this case the B&S armature is basically my entire budget for this film. I've worked a lot with wire, and although I appreciate the cost efficiency and flexibility, my main characters go through quite a bit of heavy duty animation, and I've had limbs and fingers snapping on me in 7-minute films. Working with a B&S armature on my previous film, I just had so much more freedom to get the exact moves I wanted without worrying about wearing down the wires. The fingers on this one will still be wire, but it's nice to have ball-and-sockets for the bigger joints. I'm considering a basic head armature with brow wires and a jaw wire, but that might create more problems than it will solve. I'll have to play around with it and see.

Strider - your hybrid puppet idea sounds really interesting, have you decided which parts you will be doing in wire yet?

Probably arms and necks will be wire, with legs and spine using balljoints. But of course it depends on the individual puppets and what they need to do.

Tonight I got out my old Ahab puppet (what's left of him - mostly an armature with a resin cast head and some tatters of foam and leather) and played around for a while - posing and moving the joints and luxuriating in how silky smooth the movement is and how strongly he holds a pose. Yes indeedy, I definitely want to make some more armatures.. 

I had wire wrists in (EGO) puppets. I had to replace them after about a minute of animation. 

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