looking at getting some lights for the Wildlife on Mars set, well at least so I can work it into the budget for the Indiegogo public funding goal, I'm curious, especially from the UK animators and companies, what lighting is best to use?

But in case someone says "you can build one for xxx" I have no tech knowledge at all to build a light from scratch, though i know its possible as we used to use them in UCLAN.

so any site suggestions or companies i can buys some good quality but not money eatting lighting from please let me know 

I would much appreciate the help 

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I've got a single head Interfit Photographic Super Cool-lite 4 fluorescent kit. It comes with a 16" reflector and a 24" softbox. You'd also have to buy a light stand. The kit costs about $118 U.S. and the stand was about $38. The stand is a bit on the insubstantial side but they do offer a heavy duty model for about $65.

This works fine for the simple experiments that I do. I imagine that one of their more powerful heads might be a better choice.

They have offices in the U.K. too.

Oops! I forgot the link …

http://www.interfitphotographic.com/

Not UK, but I recently spent a lot of time reading as much as I could on the old message board regarding lighting and then a week of nights binging on internet searches.

Before upgrading, I was using simple halogens from home depot and then some photography halogens with soft boxes. I found the lights got too hot too fast and was too harsh unless extremely diffused.

What I found from my search on the old site and on the web is that par cans and bulbs are probably the best way to go. I bought 2 par 16 cans and several bulbs of different beam widths and watts and 4 par 36 cans and a bunch of bulbs (sylvanna bulbs for the most part, some GE). The cans are the longer tunnel ones for better flood control and they have a nice gate on the front for sliding in gels that I cut. I got all my bulbs and cans from bulbamerica.com (prob not the best for UK, but you can check).
This is a budget set-up. If you have around $4,000 to spend, dedo lights (dedolight.com) is the way to go.
With my lights purchase, I also got a DMX dimmer pack from eBay (sold by bulbamerica cheaper than on their site) and the DMX control sold by Dragon.
If you think you want to go the way I did, send me a message, because I know the search can be pretty overwhelming.

Thanks Roger, did you find those lights flicker on camera in animation with the lights designed to be used for photography?

yeah the budget were looking at Steve is hopefully 2-3k on everything so dedolights, as much as i would love to have them, is defiantly not a option for the project :-(

I used the Interfit light for the "It Came From Outer Space" video. I didn't really notice flicker but my eyes may not be trained as well as others to notice that kind of thing.

The manual for the kit says that you shouldn't use it for more than 4 hours at a time though.

Rodger can you do a test in colour of a puppet and try animate for more than that time period, cant see any flicker in the B&W ICFOS vid and see if you can research why they say you shouldn't have them switched on for more than 4hrs??? i suspect it maybe because of the light quality for photography, but i could be wrong?

How long of a clip were you hoping for?

maybe about 30sec long?

I might be able to manage something even if it just ends up being 30 seconds worth of shots with no animation going on*. I could analyze the frames in Photoshop afterwards to see if there is any variation going on.

*I don't have much time for animating having a 2 year old in the house and such.

Nick H's reply in the "DSLR Camera recommendations?- Grad student in need of help!" thread pertaining to inconsistent in exposure due to variations in the lens aperture when the lens is stopping down to the actual f-stop makes me wonder if my test would really prove anything. My camera/lens setup (EOS 10D) would probably be prone to that problem so the flicker might be due to the lens rather than the light. I might check to see if using depth of field preview would help that particular problem at all.

I could go through all of the frames from ICFOS in Photoshop and check to see if exposure varied if you would like.

Michael Tharme said:

maybe about 30sec long?

I just analyzed 100 frames from the It Came from Outer Space stop motion that I did in Photoshop. I took note of the exact location of my cursor in the info palette so I could be sure that I was measuring from the same location each time. With the eyedropper tool set to measure in grayscale mode, I measured a spot on the wall in the background for each of the 100 frames. In grayscale measuring mode the eyedropper measures the exposure from 0 to 100, 0 being solid white and 100 being solid black.


Here are the results:

In 74% of the frames the exposure was 31.

In 16% of the frames the exposure was 30.

In 10% of the frames the exposure was 32.

The largest exposure difference between 2 adjacent frames was a 2% difference in exposure. This only occurred once out of 100 frames. All other variations were only a 1% difference.

I also checked one of the last frames (there were 237) to see if there was a big difference toward the end. It turns out that there wasn't, the grayscale value was 31. I'd guess that the shoot lasted about 4 hours or so.

This doesn't seem like enough variation to worry about to me but I'll bow to others much greater amount of experience on that.

It turns out that the 2% change in exposure is noticeable. I did a simulation in Photoshop with a flat background so that there wouldn't be anything else in the frame to be distracting. There is a slight flicker in the video. The other thing that I noticed is that there were 2 instances with a 2% change in the 100 frames that I analyzed, not 1.

Here's the Photoshop simulation that I did …

The flicker may be caused by variations when the lens stops down rather than the light though.

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