I'm not sure if this has been brought up in the past here, but has anyone ever tried this stuff for building a puppet?

http://www.makupartist.com/139/index.php?main_page=product_info&...

I bought some a while back to test it, but I haven't really had a reason to try it out yet. In theory, it would be cool if it worked so you could sculpt fleshy puppets right on to the armature. It mentions animation as one of the applications in the description, but I was curious if anyone had any hands on experience with it. I'm not sure if it's a popular compound in the makeup world as this seems to be the only site I've that carries it. I might try some of mine out one day, but I bought it a year ago and I'm not sure if it is even still pliable.

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Interesting.. 

But it's not a foam latex, it's a soid latex, so it's going to be way too dense for puppet flesh. Probably about like liquid latex when it dries. And the only reason liquid latex works for animation is because you apply it in paper-thin sheets that remain flexible and stretchy. Foam latex is way more flexile and compressible. 

I tried one of the hand-kneadable silicone moldmaking compunds before, and it results in a rubber about like - well, somewhat more flexible than a pencil eraser is a good way to put it. A rubber like that is fine for making molds or maybe sculpting props, but nowhere near soft enough for use as puppet flesh. 

I see. Thank you very much for the reply. It seems mine is still about the consistency as a polymer clay so I'll be able to at least still test it out. I'm sure I'll be able to find some use for it whether or not it's for puppet building.

I have seen some flexible polymer clay that, when baked, was a fairly firm rubber.  It had been used for thin fingers, and they could bend a bit to give the hands some life, but not go far enough to make a fist.   I'd want to know the Shore Hardness of this stuff.  Does it get baked, like polymer clay, or air dry, or have 2 parts you mix together?

Since you have it you may as well try it out and see - it is probably good for some things.  But I doubt that it would replace a soft silicone or a foam latex.  If it did, a direct build-up with a sculptable material that sets flexible enough to animate would be a great breakthrough.

Hi Nick,

It is an air dry clay and comes as one whole piece. When I have time, I was thinking about making an arm and animating it. I'll report back with my results when I get around to testing it.

Yeah, it could work for fingers, maybe for very thin arms and legs and things like that. Pretty much the same stuff you build up from solid layers of liquid latex. Looking forward to your tests! 

I've never seen a latex clay before, very interesting. I bet if I had a package of it, it would get used for something. It would probably also be good for small press molds.

And this stuff is only $6.95 for that package so, it's really worth the 'risk' to see if it's any good. Who knows? It could end up being very popular here if it bends far enough and can be painted.

You're already very popular here - you could end up being the god of latex clay!  Unless Jason gets on with it and tests it first.  Then all your acolytes would desert you.   

Ahh, Nick, Ron's just popular because of all the great stop-mo he does. . .  ;)  Come to think of it, that is why you are very popular here too!  Hmmm.  Besides that you are both totally generous with your hard-won advice, as is everyone here.  God but I love this site!

please post results. that stuf looks cool.

This is what I've been waiting for! Hopefully it is more flexible than Sculpey Bake and Bend or Super Elasticlay. Let me know how it goes. It might work especially well for making a press mold from a hard object.

*edit* I see that other folks have said pretty much the same thing. Great minds!

Sorry it took so long to get the results in! I've had a busy Thanksgiving week. I finally had some time to make a quick arm armature (an ARMature) and test it out.

The instructions recommend using glycerin hand lotion to increase the working time and make it more pliable. I didn't have any on hand so I just went for it. I was surprised by how quickly it started to dry and how difficult it was to mold pieces back together and smooth it out. Perhaps the hand lotion would have helped with this.

Now that it is dry, as many suspected it works better around the thinner parts like the fingers. Around thicker parts, like the wrist, it seems to wrinkle and even crack a bit (perhaps it needed more drying time in the thicker areas). It does remain very flexible though. I'd say it's definitely better than Bake and Bend Sculpey in terms of flexibility but doesn't come close to the durability of liquid latex. 

Overall, it's not a game changer but someone might find some use for it (or a better way to treat it/work with it). I might try it a second time in the future with the lotion and let it dry longer. The instructions don't really give a specific amount of time so I might have started messing around with it too soon.

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