Hi. Does anyone know if there is anywere in London that i can get help with Dragonframe/animation. I'm having a nightmare with all sorts of things and really just need to speak to someone face to face as have tried to do what people have said but need to be shown.Any help would be brilliant

Thanks

(im going mad :-( )

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If you do find someone nearby, that would be great.  If not, maybe a few of us can still try to go through it from a distance.

I usually use StopMotion Pro, but did my last bit of animation with Dragonframe on a Mac.  I found it harder to find things to begin with - tiny little cryptic icons I could barely see, much less guess what they did.  Live view that was totally black until I could boost the brightness to 4x, only when you first click on it, all you can see is options for reducing the brightness.  An extensive manual, but it's so big, it's hard to find the particular info you need in all those pages.

But once I worked out the parts I need to use, it was good.  It does everything I need it to do (plus a lot more I don't need).

Hi Nick 

Yes I do find it quit confusing to get my head around really. Basically im just trying to keep it as simple as possible. Im trying to get the best quality I can using a canon 1000d and FCP to edit in then want to put it up on Vimeo in HD. I also want to edit the frames in Ps (to remove rigs) and have been trying to do this from the green tiff file in DF but when saved it doesn't show up in DF. I make an image sequence after that from the tiff file and then edit it in FCP then add it to Vimeo but it doesn't come up as HD even tho I have compressed it to HD setting 1920 1080 ( I hope im making sense )

I have had so much very useful help from people here and its such a great place for any animator to get/share advise but I'm a kinaesthetic learner and find it hard to put stuff verbally into action rather then being shown.

I have all my sets and puppets made and just want to get animating really badly but spent so much time planing and making sets I really want to make it look the best i can :-) 

Any help does help tho and I WILL NEVER GIVE UP;-)

Ah ok, now you're starting to get a little more specific! I think you'd make much better progress if you keep following up on one of your threads rather than keep starting new ones - what we need in order to help is some very specific information on what you're doing. Maybe we need to start with this:

"have been trying to do this from the green tiff file in DF but when saved it doesn't show up in DF" 

Where specifically on your hard drive are you finding this green tiff file? Is it in your Pictures folder, in a folder that you designated when setting up the shot in DF, or what? If you open one of these images, how big is it? Is it at HD resolution or better at this point? 

Next - what program are you editing in? Photoshop? If so, you're the one who designates what folder to save the images to - it wouldn't show up inside a Dragonframe folder unless that's where you told it to save images to. You"re the one setting up all the parameters - such as the size of the finished image upon exporting, what file type (tiff, jpeg, etc), what folder to save to etc. 

When ready to export from photoshop, you should be using Save As (not Export for the Web or simply Save). Once you're finished editing and you go to your File menu and click Save As you'll get a dialogue box letting you select your parameters for filetype, size, and what folder to save to. Make sure you're saving at an HD size and take note of what folder you're putting them in, and save as tiffs with no compression. You should create a new folder with a name that makes it clear what's inside - something like "Shot 3 HD Tiffs Edited", so you can later tell it from the original fullsize images that haven't been edited yet. 

Whenever you edit an image or a video clip in a program you need to export it from that program in order to create a new file - otherwise if you just close it without exporting (saving as) you're just losing all the work you've done. The program doesn't actually change the image or video file itself, what it does it uses the instructions you've given it (what changes to make) and creates a new version that still needs to be saved into a new folder somewhere. I think this part confuses a lot of people - they think all you have to do is go through and resize or erase a digital rig or whatever and then close the file and when they re-open it from the same folder it'll be changed, but that's not how it works. You need to instruct the program to create a new file using the changes you've told it to make and you need to tell it what folder to save the new image (or video file) to.  

That's enough for now - let's take this a step at a time. Once you're familiar with how to save from photoshop and you can do it successfully we can move on to the next step. 

A little bit to add - when you click Save in a program like photoshop all you're doing is saving your progress inside that program so you don't lose it all if there's a power failure or something - that isn't a way to save your final product. When you're all finished editing you still need to export (Save As or Export in some programs). 

So, you are connecting your camera, DF recognises it, and you can see the live view in DF. Yes? And you are able to capture each frame, and DF saves the high quality still images in one folder, and the live view frames in another.
That is pretty much all I want from my framegrabber. When I have finished the shot, I use another program to open the high quality still images so I can re-size them, and do any rig removal or compositing. I use TV Paint, it looks like you use Photoshop.
Like Strider said, in Photoshop, you create a folder where you save your new, modified images. I don't overwrite the originals, I Save As or Export into a different folder. The Dragonframe project can be opened again to look at the original images, but I don't know if it can see the modified frames in a new folder. I never wanted to. Once I have my images to open in TV Paint or AE or Photoshop, I am finished with DF for that shot.
In PS I would do my rig removal in the full size images, then scale it down to HD. First, I reduce the width to 1920 pixels. The height will be too much because the image from the DSLR is a 3:2 ratio. I crop the top and bottom so the height is 1080. Then I save as.
For Final Cut Pro I want QT movies, not still images. So I open QuickTime Pro and select Import Image Sequence. I import my HD frames. Then I Export an uncompressed QT mov file as my master copy.
I import the QT for each shot into FCP to put them together, with sound tracks, to create the movie.
At some stage I would back up my original images saved in DF to an external drive, and delete them from the computer to free up space.
By the way, "compressed" does not refer to making the image pixel size smaller. It means a lower quality image so the file size is smaller. I keep the uncompressed 1920 x 1080 HD movie as a master copy, then make a compressed version in FCP or QT Pro, still at 1920 x 1080 for uploading to the web, to get the file size down to something I can upload to Vimeo and Youtube. Medium quality usually still looks good. Mostly I use a version of H264 codec called x264 which doesn't make the images look a little brighter and washed out like H264 often does.

I will look at Dragonframe to see if I can get it to open my modified images, saved in another folder, instead of the original ones.

Thanks so much guys I will get this into my head and try this out and get back to you as soon as I have.Thnaks again for your help it is greatly appreciated 

Hi 

Yes open up DF camera connects and I have three files one with tiff files (green) one with jpeg (blue) I think they are the live feed ones and then another file with test shots if i have taken any(red)

When you say "I open the high quality still images so I can re-size them" do you mean to re size all the images? also do you mean that when the images are modified I cant play it back in DF to see if i have made mistakes? 

Im still a bit stuck with the rest:-/ will keep trying tho

I think these were meant for Nick but I'll give my response here - he can still give his when he sees it:

"When you say "I open the high quality still images so I can re-size them" do you mean to re size all the images? also do you mean that when the images are modified I cant play it back in DF to see if i have made mistakes?"

Yes, you have to re-size all the images. Personally for resizing I use Lightroom, I believe Nick uses another program that works with an entire image sequence or video clip for resizing. That makes it easy - you only have to do the operation once and it automatically changes the size of all the images (or the entire video clip). In my case I import all my images directly into Lightroom as soon as I download them to my computer and that's where I do white balance, develop them in terms of color grading etc, and resize or crop if necessary. Lightroom lets me work with an entire folder of images and applies changes globally to all of them through a Sync button that I find extremely useful. 

As for looking at the sequence again in Dragonframe after editing the images, why would that be necessary? DF is an animation program, you use it to check your animation, and once that's done you're through with it and now you use other programs for image editing and video editing. If you need to check that you did everything right in photoshop for instance, you'll be able to see that as soon as you compile as an Image Sequence in QTPro, which is the next step. 

It would be very helpful if we knew a couple of things about your workflow - what aspect ratio are the pictures in when they come from your camera? Does it shoot in standard 4:3 still picture ratio, or does it allow you to shoot in a cinematic 16:9 ratio? 

You play the sequence back in DF while you are animating, to see if the movement is good. You want to catch a mistake right away, preferably before you take the shot so you don't have to delete it. Not after you have finished the whole shot and moved on to another program. When you have finished shooting you can play it all back one more time. Then, you don't need Dragonframe any more, it's done what a framegrabber is meant to do. So you do your rig removal and re-sizing and any fixups in PS. Then you can use QuickTime Pro 7 to import the image sequence, and watch the shot in real time, to see if it looks the way you want it to, before making a QT mov file. (I say QT Pro because it only costs about $30, not hundreds of dollars like TV Paint or After Effects.) Or you import the shot into your video editor - some of them are ok with importing an image sequence, Final Cut Pro is better if it is already a mov file.
With TV Paint, I can click or scrub through the whole shot while I am doing the rig removal. It usually can't play back in real time if HD, but it generates a lower res preview so it can play in real time. With Photoshop CS Extended you might be able to do the same, it can load a whole image sequence, but I'm not actually sure how that works since I use TVP for that. Even though it has all the frames on a timeline, I think you might still work on and save the frames individually. On TVP I can re-size the whole project, then save it. Rig removal is still done a frame at a time, because the rig will move between frames, but I can save all the frames at the same time when I am done.
If you do not have PS Extended, just regular PS or the cheaper PS Elements, it is a matter of doing a frame at a time, saving that frame to the new folder, then doing the next one.

When I animate in DragonFrame using my Cannon 550d It is set to capture JPEG and RAW. Inside the folder where my frames are saved I have the whole sequence in both JPEG and RAW format. As far as i can gather the JPEG are used for lower quality playback within dragonframe, If you click the button to use high res playback I assume it then loads the RAW files, although i could be mistaken! My usual workflow is to convert all my .RAW files into .DNG as my Pc doesnt let me edit RAW files in Photoshop for some bizzare reason, but the DNG files can be simply imported into sfter effects or another editing software of your choice. If I remember correctly the .DNG gives you the same freedom as RAW although you may not need this step if your PC lets you edit .RAW.

Hi Strider sorry about the the late reply. I see this is starting to make sense . So when i have all my frames in DF done I then do rig removal in Ps then resize every frame to hd size? I do have Lr on my mac.Is it easy to make an image sequence init? I also bought quicktime player 7 pro so i can also make image sequence in this. 

I have set up an aspect ratio in DF as 16:9 

Strider said:

I think these were meant for Nick but I'll give my response here - he can still give his when he sees it:

"When you say "I open the high quality still images so I can re-size them" do you mean to re size all the images? also do you mean that when the images are modified I cant play it back in DF to see if i have made mistakes?"

Yes, you have to re-size all the images. Personally for resizing I use Lightroom, I believe Nick uses another program that works with an entire image sequence or video clip for resizing. That makes it easy - you only have to do the operation once and it automatically changes the size of all the images (or the entire video clip). In my case I import all my images directly into Lightroom as soon as I download them to my computer and that's where I do white balance, develop them in terms of color grading etc, and resize or crop if necessary. Lightroom lets me work with an entire folder of images and applies changes globally to all of them through a Sync button that I find extremely useful. 

As for looking at the sequence again in Dragonframe after editing the images, why would that be necessary? DF is an animation program, you use it to check your animation, and once that's done you're through with it and now you use other programs for image editing and video editing. If you need to check that you did everything right in photoshop for instance, you'll be able to see that as soon as you compile as an Image Sequence in QTPro, which is the next step. 

It would be very helpful if we knew a couple of things about your workflow - what aspect ratio are the pictures in when they come from your camera? Does it shoot in standard 4:3 still picture ratio, or does it allow you to shoot in a cinematic 16:9 ratio? 

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