Hi all,

I've been using the Nikon D5100 for stop motion for the last couple of years and I really like it. However, it was never really mine, so I'm now looking to get a DSLR of my own. Everywhere I've looked as suggested that Canon DSLRs are the better route to go, so I'm eyeing up the 70D at the moment. I'm wondering if I could get a second opinion from any of you guys - what's good and what should I avoid? It took me a few months to get to grips with the D5100 and adjust the settings accordingly to avoid light flicker etc. - obviously I'm a bit more experienced with DSLRs now.

Thanks in advance,

-Jacob

Views: 903

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

I can confirm the Canon Rebel SL1 works well. No issues connecting to Dragon Frame or attaching Nikon manual lenses with adapter.

A new model will have different auto settings in the menu to go through and disable, but at least you know to go and look through them.

I use a Canon 7d, and sometimes a 40d, with Nikon lenses and Canon-to-Nikon lens adapters (basic ones, under $12 each, from eBay.  I probably haven't used any of the newest models, but if they are on the list of compatible cameras at the Dragonframe site, they should be ok.

I see the SL1 (called 100d in my country) is on the list.  The only drawback might be that the live view image size is 960 x 640, and some models have a larger image size.  The bigger the better, when it comes to judging very small moves.  That's not bad, it's still far better than the 640 x 480 security camera I used to use, looking through the viewfinder of my old non-liveview Nikon 40d, and even that worked well enough.  But the 7d has a live view image of 1056 x 704 pixels, and my older 40d is 1024 x 680.  The 70d is 960 x 640, same as the 100d, I see.  The DF website has all that info, just click the camera in the list:   http://www.dragonframe.com/camera.php#canon 

The Rebel T5, or 1200d, has a live view of 1056 x 704.  The price at Amazon is US $397.59 with shipping in the US included.   If you want the camera for general use, to take with you into the world for shooting stills and video as well as for animation, the more compact SL1 looks like a winner.  If it's purely for animation, size is not much of an issue.  Whichever model you consider, you should factor in the cost of anAC power adapter, and some second hand manual lenses - Nikon, Olympus OM, or others with adapters available.

The important thing is the final image, not the live view, and all of the DSLRs produce a great  image that is much bigger than you need, so you can crop or zoom in or pan around in post if you want.

Nick is right the live view image is not especially large but manageable. It's ten times better than the bullet camera I had attached to my old Canon 20d. Fortunately, Dragon Frame has a Zoom feature where you can zoom in on a portion of the image, save presets for magnification etc. There is a video tutorial on how to do this on the DF website. 

Also, I ordered my lens adapter from Amazon. It's made by Fotodiox (china) but it fits perfectly with no give or play in the connection. It's 16.95 with free shipping if you're a Prime member. I ordered one from eBay over six weeks ago and it still hasn't arrived. Amazon delivered in two days. 

I prefer Canon cameras for stop motion for a variety of reasons. If you have been using a Nikon for 2 years, you will have some nice surprises if you get a Canon. We have some Rebel T3i units at our lab, never found any reasons to upgrade to a T5i, but depending on the prices you find, either one should be great.

Also, you can fit Nikon lenses into Canon cameras, but you can't go the other way. That greatly increases the number of vintage prime lenses you can buy.

Yes, with a Canon body and an older manual Nikon lens (and adapter) you get a fully manual lens that stays set at the aperture and focus you set it at, without the camera processor being able to adjust it every time you go in front of the camera to animate the puppet.  Canon does not put an aperture ring on their lenses.  Nikon doesn't either, on their kit lenses and many cheaper models, but the older lenses made for film cameras have full manual control.  I avoid AutoFocus lenses, but as long as that can be switched off they can be ok.

Nikon, Olympus, and most other cameras have the mount for their lenses further away from the sensor than Canon, so it works out that the adaptor moves the Nikon lens out to the right distance so that everything focusses correctly.  As Daniel said, that doesn't work the other way around.

Also, Canons mostly have a bigger live view than Nikons.  

And in the past (I'm not sure if this is still true with the latest models) Canons can keep running on Live View for the hours it takes to complete a stop motion shot, but Nikons tended to turn themselves off to prevent overheating.  The Caliri Bros (developers of Dragonframe) shot a commercial with a Canon and Nikon side-by-side, and the Nikon needed to be switched on several times.  Apparently Red cameras can have the same issue with staying on for a long time, and need a fan to cool them.  As it is, my Canon will switch off if I don't do anything for a long time - 5 or 10 minutes without taking a shot - but it can be switched back on in Dragonframe and all settings remain the same.  That only happens when I am still setting up the puppets and lighting and take a while before I am ready for a test shot.  Once animating, I can just keep going without ever taking too long.

I preferred my old Nikon D70 for general photography, the controls make more sense, and I kept using it until it stopped recognising any memory card I put in it.  I prefer the location of the shutter button, and being able to delete a photo without having to use 3 seperate controls like I do on the Canons (on a Nikon I just hit the trashcan button twice), but that only applies when I am holding it in my hand and taking stills.  Those minor annoyances with Canon don't really apply when it is being controlled from the computer, as it is while animating.  

I took the plunge and bought a Canon EOS 1200D came with a EF-S 18-55mm lens and it works with Dragon Frame...from  PC WORLD in U.K. £250....

 

Have you tried it yet? How are you liking it? Is the lens behaving well?

James Krysa said:

I took the plunge and bought a Canon EOS 1200D came with a EF-S 18-55mm lens and it works with Dragon Frame...from  PC WORLD in U.K. £250....

 

Reply to Discussion

RSS

STOPMO JAM on Facebook

MESSAGE BOARD CATEGORIES

STOPMO NEWBIES
basic stopmo discussion

ANIMATOR TALK
experienced animators looking to improve

CAMERA & STAGE
animation camera, lighting and moco rigs

ANIMATION TOOLS & EQUIPMENT
animation tool and rigging discussion

STOP MOTION & COMPUTERS
frame capture, editing, and post-production

STORY
script, storyboarding and storyreel discussion

SOUND
lip-sync, sound effects and music

YOUR STOPMO FILM PROJECT
discuss your stopmo film

ARMATURES
ball & socket and wire armature discussion

MACHINE SHOP
metalwork tool & talk

SCULPTING
sculpture information and advice

HAIR & COSTUME
materials, patterns and technique

CASTING
foam, silicone and resin

CLAY
clay puppet construction

GENERAL PUPPET MAKING
other puppet fabrication issues

STOP MOTION SETS
set design and construction information

MODEL DEPARTMENT
miniature prop discussion

MATTE PAINTINGS
glass matte paintings and backgrounds

GENERAL SPECIAL EFFECTS

STOP MOTION FILM DISCUSSION

FAVORITE STOP MOTION CHARACTERS

PRO ANIMATOR DISCUSSION

FILM FESTIVALS AND EVENTS

ANIMATION SCHOOLS

STOP MOTION BOOKS

STOP MOTION ON VIDEO

JOBS & PROJECTS
post here if you are looking for talent to hire

SWAP MEET
stop motion items for sale

CHAT BOARD
general discussion

SITE FEEDBACK
report bugs, comments and suggestions here

SPAM ALERT!

StopMotionAnimation.com has been hit hard by spammers lately. They have been creating several fake accounts every day, contacting and harassing members and posting suspicious content. If you see anything suspicious, don't click on any links, instead, send me their User Name. I will suspend them. 

Questions & Feedback
Report Spam or Abuse

© 2017   Created by Anthony Scott.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service

.xg_widget_forum_index_index .xg_column.xg_span-7.xg_last {display:none;} .xg_widget_forum_topic_listForCategory .xg_column.xg_span-7.xg_last {display:none;} .xg_widget_forum_topic_show .xg_column.xg_span-7.xg_last {display:none;}