Does these two works of art look families to you?
One is "Siegfried kills Fafnir", an illustration to Richard Wagner's The Ring, the illustration being made in 1911:
Froud was clearly influenced by Rackham. I saw that too, the first time I saw some of Froud's illustrations back before Dark Crystal.
Rackham is generally acknowledged as one of the leading artists of the Golden age of book illustration, alongside Edmund Dulac and Kay Neilsen. Perhaps the leading illustrator, he was certainly the most successful for the longest.
Yes definitely, I totally agree on both accounts.
Here's another example, where Brian Froud borrowed from a figure in a tryptich by Hieronymus Bosch. The costume and face have changed, but the basic pose, the hurdy-gurdy, the leg crutch, and the little dog with jester's hat are all there in Bosch's Temptation of St Anthony.
The Froud illustration is in Master Snickup's Cloak. The figure has become a jester.
So what's it got to do with stop motion?
I didn't realise it at the time, but just now when looking at these 2 images, I realised I may have been influenced myself by Froud's drawing when designing my jester puppet. I looked at a few pictures of jesters, but not Froud's, and some things like the little jester head on a stick are typical jester things. Master Snickup is a book from 30 years ago I hadn't seen for a long time. But I see now that my stage is a bit like a hurdy-gurdy, with it's crank handle on the side, and there is something about the face...
Wow - I had never seen that Froud illo before, but as soon as it popped up I immediately thought of your jester Nick. It's far from identical of course, but there's enough similarity to suggest you probably were subconsciously influenced by memories of it. I've had that kind of experience before several times - with drawings and stories both. At some point years later I dig out some old book I haven't seen in ages and run across the original inspiration for some project that I had thought was my own idea..
Nice! I have a few Froud books (4, I think), but I've never seen the Jester before either.
The internet is a bitch for making us realise we're not as original as we thought we were. It gives us so much though, so I'm not gonna complain I can barely remember a time without it. Think I used to play with worms and rocks. But, I digress...
^ heh yeah, it seems like a totally different life before internet, doesn't it? I can remember all the way back to rabbit ears on the TV and only 5 channels, no VCR or anything. Wow - seems like a bad dream or something now.
Oh, and thanks David - every time I see the title of this thread now I get the song stuck in my head..
Wow thats pretty crazy, funny how our subconscious works ehh. This whole conversation is totally reminding me about the movie Inception, on how people just come in your mind and give you ideas lol.